This bullpen, other than Lord and Ribalta, needs to be sent to The Hague for their crimes. It’s hyperbole but it’s gotten that dire.
Hitting wise, James looks lost. Dylan looks fantastic right now and hopefully he keeps it up. But oh my god this bullpen is actually so not fun to watch. There better be some moves. And Mitchell Parker NEEDS to be one of them.
I’ll say it again. The front office is seriously disrespecting the position players right now, and if I were them I wouldn’t feel supported. This has to change immediately. This is absolutely unacceptable.
In my I'm The King Of All The World imagination I'd have a bus waiting outside the locker room and send Parker and Lovelady's a++es straight to Rochester.
It would be nice if the press asked Butera.. . . and especially Toboni . . . hard questions about the bullpen. Like: What's the plan? do you think you can ride out the season with this staff?
Butera (whom i really like) keeps saying "we'll give everyone a chance" No! go find a pitcher who can get guys out.
It’s not Butera’s job to find pitchers. That’s Toboni’s responsibility. Butera can only use the arms that he is given. None of the pitchers not named Brad Lord has been consistently reliable to get outs when called upon.
Honestly, why not? Look at how well our relievers do as openers. Brilliant to at least try it because watching this every night in the late innings has gotten old.
If you’d told me this team was at .500 at the midway point, I’d call you a liar. It’s painful we can see what’s so obviously missing, but I really really want to emphasize how difficult bullpens are to build.
Pulled the makeup of the best bullpen in baseball right now by WAR. The San Diego Padres:
Mason Miller - Blockbuster trade involving 6 players
Adrian Morejon - Homegrown development
Jason Adam - Traded for 4 players
Kyle Hart - $1 million contract a year after Padres took a flier on a KBO guy
Yuki Matsui - Major spending, 5 year contract
David Morgan - Homegrown development
Wandy Peralta - Major spending, 4 year contract
Ron Marinnacio - Waiver Claim
Bullpens are fickle things, and throwing cash at things doesn’t mean immediate success. So much is dependent on development, and all thanks to Rizzo for the ring, but his final years left a lot to ask for in the development side.
We haven’t even hit a full year of Toboni and his development plans. His ability to build a bullpen is entirely dependent on what was left behind and waiver claims.
“Spend money” you’ll say. On a team who we thought might hit 100 losses? Hindsight is 20/20. You spend when your contention window is wide open, like the Padres. You don’t spend when your best case scenario is squeezing into the wild card.
Devin Williams is being paid $17 mill to be inneficient.
Seranthony Dominguez is being paid $10 mill to be inneficient.
Our old friend Kyle Finnegan is being paid $9.5 mill to have a WHIP nearly equal to his ERA.
Jordan Romano, cut. Scott Barlow, cut. Millions spent to NOT play for their team.
These things aren’t easy folks, “just go make it better” is not a helpful comment.
All of that is fair. But this bullpen is the worst in the major leagues. That means 29 other teams are doing better. There's nothing worse than "the worst."
29 other teams didn’t get tasked with building a pitching staff from the scraps left behind by a front office fired for their inability to build a pitching staff
I agree, I think I’m just as annoyed as everyone. Losing, specifically in this fashion, sucks. But I’m equally annoyed with people who think perfectly good arms are just laying around.
I can actually come up with a positive from this series. The Nats are able to compete successfully against a good Phillies team in all areas except one. The Nats have gone from needing a complete rebuild to needing a bullpen rebuild. But no denying that the bullpen is atrocious and unacceptably bad for a major league team.
Suggest the Nats charge at home tickets at same price as Rochester since their pitching staff makes up most of the bullpen.
I'm not sure if I should be angry, sad, or impressed at this point
I was disappointed on Tuesday, mad last night, and resigned tonight.
Nothing we can do about it except complain.
I'm just numb. For the rest of the season: If they win....ok. If they lose....oh well. Next season is effectively here.
Man…what is there to say? On to Baltimore.
Watching them blow the lead three days in a row is aggravating. But you have to play a complete game to beat a complete game. 6 innings won’t do it.
I wish I could be as bad at my job as the Nationals' relievers and get paid as much as them.
This bullpen, other than Lord and Ribalta, needs to be sent to The Hague for their crimes. It’s hyperbole but it’s gotten that dire.
Hitting wise, James looks lost. Dylan looks fantastic right now and hopefully he keeps it up. But oh my god this bullpen is actually so not fun to watch. There better be some moves. And Mitchell Parker NEEDS to be one of them.
Crimes against humanity? That sound right to me. :-)
I mean Mitchell Parker specifically is actually insulting to this fanbase. I don’t understand how he’s still on this roster.
Tells you how poor the front office thinks the options are. No other reason to stick with Parker this long.
I’ll say it again. The front office is seriously disrespecting the position players right now, and if I were them I wouldn’t feel supported. This has to change immediately. This is absolutely unacceptable.
Please give a list of the 8 readily available arms to replace this bullpen
Here are three: Robert Cranz, Jackson Kent, Luis Perales.
Not sure about Cranz, but Kent and Perales are ready to go
Perales has nearly the same amount of walks as strikeouts with a WHIP of 1.3
In my I'm The King Of All The World imagination I'd have a bus waiting outside the locker room and send Parker and Lovelady's a++es straight to Rochester.
And make them pay their way.
You're more generous than I am. I want them both DFAd.
LOL.....I hear ya!
It would be nice if the press asked Butera.. . . and especially Toboni . . . hard questions about the bullpen. Like: What's the plan? do you think you can ride out the season with this staff?
Butera (whom i really like) keeps saying "we'll give everyone a chance" No! go find a pitcher who can get guys out.
Agreed.
You know, I listened to the feed on the post gamer last night and the reporters toss a bunch of cupcakes to Butera.
How about a little NY media treatment?
At least I'd feel better. -:)
I would be happy with relief pitchers who can throw strikes.
It’s not Butera’s job to find pitchers. That’s Toboni’s responsibility. Butera can only use the arms that he is given. None of the pitchers not named Brad Lord has been consistently reliable to get outs when called upon.
Brandon Marsh showed he deserved getting more votes than Wood this series.
Agreed and that’s painful to admit.
Yep.
THESE THINGS HAPPEN because this team hates playing in DC
Start the bullpen first and close with the starters. It's worth a shot and less likely we lose in the 9th.
Honestly, why not? Look at how well our relievers do as openers. Brilliant to at least try it because watching this every night in the late innings has gotten old.
I'm game.
Miserable, indeed.
If you’d told me this team was at .500 at the midway point, I’d call you a liar. It’s painful we can see what’s so obviously missing, but I really really want to emphasize how difficult bullpens are to build.
Pulled the makeup of the best bullpen in baseball right now by WAR. The San Diego Padres:
Mason Miller - Blockbuster trade involving 6 players
Adrian Morejon - Homegrown development
Jason Adam - Traded for 4 players
Kyle Hart - $1 million contract a year after Padres took a flier on a KBO guy
Yuki Matsui - Major spending, 5 year contract
David Morgan - Homegrown development
Wandy Peralta - Major spending, 4 year contract
Ron Marinnacio - Waiver Claim
Bullpens are fickle things, and throwing cash at things doesn’t mean immediate success. So much is dependent on development, and all thanks to Rizzo for the ring, but his final years left a lot to ask for in the development side.
We haven’t even hit a full year of Toboni and his development plans. His ability to build a bullpen is entirely dependent on what was left behind and waiver claims.
“Spend money” you’ll say. On a team who we thought might hit 100 losses? Hindsight is 20/20. You spend when your contention window is wide open, like the Padres. You don’t spend when your best case scenario is squeezing into the wild card.
Devin Williams is being paid $17 mill to be inneficient.
Seranthony Dominguez is being paid $10 mill to be inneficient.
Our old friend Kyle Finnegan is being paid $9.5 mill to have a WHIP nearly equal to his ERA.
Jordan Romano, cut. Scott Barlow, cut. Millions spent to NOT play for their team.
These things aren’t easy folks, “just go make it better” is not a helpful comment.
Very well put. Thank you.
Spending money on free agent relievers is a crapshoot.
All of that is fair. But this bullpen is the worst in the major leagues. That means 29 other teams are doing better. There's nothing worse than "the worst."
29 other teams didn’t get tasked with building a pitching staff from the scraps left behind by a front office fired for their inability to build a pitching staff
You're right, but, c'mon, those kind of comments are more than justified right now.
We gotta vent.
I agree, I think I’m just as annoyed as everyone. Losing, specifically in this fashion, sucks. But I’m equally annoyed with people who think perfectly good arms are just laying around.
Well said. Stick with the plan.
There is no way now that the everyday players and starters don't trust the bullpen anymore. Maybe Lord but not the rest of them.
I can actually come up with a positive from this series. The Nats are able to compete successfully against a good Phillies team in all areas except one. The Nats have gone from needing a complete rebuild to needing a bullpen rebuild. But no denying that the bullpen is atrocious and unacceptably bad for a major league team.
Besides that Mrs Lincoln how was the play. :-)
Taking a Nats vacation timeout
Starting pitching and hitting solid and exciting.
Bullpen....omg....
Gonna give it a time out
Yep, that's what I did tonight. Didn't watch or listen to any of it. And it'll be more days of that this season for me.